Interview on Church Planter Podcast

Earlier this week I was blessed with the opportunity to be interviewed for the Church Planter Podcast.  The podcast and Church Planter Magazine are both excellent resources for church planters and have articles and interviews from many on the cutting edge of church planting.  Peyton and Pete have a heart for equipping serial planters through both of these avenues as well as the New Breed Church Planting network.

In this interview we discuss my work with Living Bread Ministries and why church planting among the global poor must be central to all of our efforts to minister among the poor. Regardless of the need, spiritual or physical, a thriving local church is central to the answer.

 

I’d love to hear your thoughts on the interview.

 

We Forgot to Bring Bread

In Mark 8:1-10 Jesus performs his second feeding miracle.  Here he is moved by compassion for the crowd and feeds them with a few loaves of bread and some fish.  Like before, he blesses the food and breaks it and his disciples distribute it.  There are several things that can be taken from this narrative, but I want to focus on one simple truth that I was confronted with today.

Having twice seen Jesus feed the multitudes with a few loaves and fish you would think the disciples would never again worry about food.  Yet in verse 13 we see them loading a boat for a trip to Bethsaida.  They forgot to bring bread and only had one loaf to feed them all on the trip (vs. 14).  They become concerned about this lack of bread and Jesus overhears them discussing it among themselves (vs.16).  Here is how Jesus responds:

“Why are you discussing the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet perceive or understand? Are your hearts hardened? Having eyes do you not see, and having ears do you not hear? And do you not remember? When I broke the five loaves for the five thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces did you take up?” They said to him, “Twelve.” “And the seven for the four thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces did you take up?” And they said to him, “Seven.” And he said to them, “Do you not yet understand?” Mark 8:17-21 (ESV)

When I read this I found myself irritated with the disciples.  How could they be worried about food when they had seen Jesus miraculously feed thousands of people twice? Certainly Jesus could feed twelve men!  As I thought this, the Spirit of God gently reminded me that I don’t understand either.

For 10 years I have seen the Lord provide for my family and for Living Bread Ministries in ways that I could not imagine.  More specifically we just witnessed the Lord provide over $60,000 of the $150,000 we need to operate and expand in 2014.  Yet like the disciples, who were focused on the one loaf they had rather than how Jesus had provided before, I often focus on my current circumstances rather than a long history of deliverance and provision.  Too often, I just do not understand!

Service: The Way of Thriving in the Kingdom

In Mark 10:35-45 Jesus explains to His disciples how His kingdom is different from the World.  He calls His followers to lives of service because of and empowered by His service on their behalf.